"...before, the security was almost nil...then, 9/11. security was amazingly tight, everyone was a suspected terrorist or criminal...it's the same here...we have the right to be suspicious and challenge new authors who might be the one multi-accounter who we need to ban. it's really that simple."

That's insanely stupid. The increases in security after 9/11 haven't helped anyone in the nine and a half years since. Try and find anything close to as organized as the 9/11 attacks that was stopped by security.

On the other hand, the analogy itself is disgusting. You are comparing terrorists who would kill thousands to people who have multiple accounts on Numa as those who "need" to be stopped.

Additionally, 9/11 didn't make it any more likely that there would be a terrorist attack, nor does some people getting caught for multi-accounting make it anymore likely that people will multi-account. You are saying now that the possibility is shown to be out there (but it's a possibility so it was always out there), that policy must be changed. Bad reasoning.

"To a guilty man, it's a threat. To an innocent man, it's an odd statement."

Except, either way, calling someone a liar and insulting them is offensive. So yes it's odd, but more than likely more hurtful when it's not true.

Well inplaced a ninja and it Accuallybwas kinda fun to jump around the letters but, umm, that's besides the point....

it's really not that simple. D:

let's compare this to the 9/11 incident. before, the security was almost nil because almost nothing happened. then there were a few incidents that made security tighten up, but not by much. then, 9/11. security was amazingly tight, everyone was a suspected terrorist or criminal, and airports were never the same again. a permanent change.

it's the same here. since evil_sire, miststalker and fbf were taken out, we have the right to be suspicious and challenge new authors who might be the one multi-accounter who we need to ban. it's really not that simple.

and as for saying that new author's are someone else, let me clarify this 'issue' by quoting a line from Nelson Demille's Wild Fire:

"To a guilty man, it's a threat. To an innocent man, it's an odd statement."

end quote.

Why are there no tldr verions at the end of these posts. @_@

And its usually blatantly obvious if someone is really new or not. Its especially funny when people try to be all tricky and pretend to ask what AGD or RCE mean. ;P

in the numa history.

I would like to take this comment to apologize for all the space I may have taken, anyone i may have offended, and to blackson, whose comment I just read about this not being the place to voice our opinions. My bad.

Going back to the class analogy: the thing is, every student is given a textbook with thousands of examples of “tests” that are considered to have passed. Hence why I stated that “because you’re not a complete imbecile, you realize this fact and decide to take it upon yourself to study for said examination.” Again, because this hypothetical student is new, and knows about the class, they want to make a good first impression, and therefore imitate the style of successful student(s).

At this point I would like to use myself as an example, referring to (not trying to advertise here) my first DDA. I didn’t copy any style, but seeing as though it isn’t meant to be playable, techniques in DDA are generally the same as style in playable maps imo.

I knew by browsing other maps, like any other submission here on NUMA, that some DDAs were better received than others. Being curious and inquisitive, I decided to find out what made a good DDA good before I made a piece of crap (again, the good first impression bit). I soon found trends, generally in the comments of DDAs (i.e. less launchpads, no gold delay unless necessary, little to no waiting, etc.), and the same could be done with playable maps (i.e. less mines, better tiles, it’s awkward to play in, wtfdidyouevenplaytestthiscrapbeforesubmitting, etc.). I took these statements and tried to make a DDA that would meet most of the desirable traits, which I was eventually satisfied with and submitted. Consequentially, it was received relatively warmly (despite some immediate technical difficulties).

So how come, even with all the less capable mappers here, we cannot allow for the few genuinely good starters? Like Squibbles said, you have in your mind your set expectations of what a beginning mapper should be like, and anything other than those expectations is automatically in your mind is, in short, cheating. You can’t treat every situation the same because everyone is different and some will naturally have more ability than others, some of which will go beyond your expectations.

First off, I would have thought that you would be able to tell that only the first part was specifically directed to you and if your issue of I using "shitstorm" in said portion, it was because that it how I feel of the situation. I personally don't care about multiaccounters; if they wish to take such a "risk" fully aware of the potential hazards, then so be it. Furthermore, if the prevalent issue with these multiaccounters is that they should have an unfair advantage in the use of the rating system, I’d like to point out that the rating system is already faulty. The fact of the matter is that anyone, ANYONE can rate maps, including those wishing other innocent users harm, hence all the complaints of “sniping”. I’m not saying that this place is full of envious people, but the current system simply isn’t working. Therefore, I feel this whole fiasco largely unnecessary and regard it as a "shitstorm”.

Secondly, if your concern should be with my secondary comment (which was in no intent aimed directly at you), “freaking out and flipping cusses trying to prove point”, I would like to point out the obvious fact that these are MY opinions, and as such, I have the right to state my mind and not be ridiculed by others. The extent to which this situation has come to, and my previous statement of it being largely unnecessary leaves me feeling aggravated by all the complaints and several of the stated faults of the system. If I feel that I should have to resort to the use vulgarity to express my thoughts, you should respect that and not have to point out in your egotistic comment: “I’m at least remaining shill”, supposedly asserting your superiority. Furthermore, again, these are my OPINIONS. You have no obligation to read them, and therefore I feel that I should not have to be questioned about the diction.

IN CASE THERE IS ANY MISUNDERSTANDING, THIS FOLLOWING PORTION IS NOT DIRECTED AT SCRIPT

@Squibbles: Thanks :) and you should take out that “are” in my quote between “piers” and “offer” in the second paragraph, it’s bugging the hell out of me.

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this is no place to voice your opinion. NUMA is an archive of maps, next time please foward your opinions and suggestions to the nmaps.net . This isn't the place.

ffs

it hasn't been used in over a year, I think. But ratings were never disabled. I remebered this with all the fuss and though this was a good time to mention. So perhaps someone could disable ratings on that account?
Name's crescah2x2sday.

My main issue here is that idiots like to scare off new users.
I completely agree with squibbles' latest comment.
Here's some unrelated stuff:
when I joined after a little over three months of lurking, I had seen my share of accusatory comments on new users' maps (this, in midearly 2008) and was a little scared of being mistaken for a multi-er. So I asked some dumb question about DEDs link [nmaps.net]. I now realize that my partial lack of aesthetics would have erased any suspicions, but whatever... I had a point to make somewhere in there. ZOMGFOOODISREADYFINALLY!!YAYY!!!! anyway, I'm off to lunch :D

i read all of that.
Pretty true :\

Hmm yeah. I got accused of being that blue_desert guy for no other reason than him apparently talking slightly like me.

Also, TeaNose was so obvious. I called that right from the off. When cases of multi-accounting are that prominent, it's pretty hard to ignore them, eh?

with how people who are accused of multi-accounting are treated. If all you do is accuse in your comment on their map, I'm going to delete it. It's spam and unwanted. If you really think they are doing that you need to tell one your many friendly neighborhood admins.

Me
But before that is possible, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with people voicing their suspicions. I would, however, suggest that they should be voiced somewhere else other than on the “new” person’s maps for two reasons: first, it will be confusing and possibly discouraging for genuinely new users to see that kind of thing. Two, it will prevent multi-accounters knowing that they’re under suspicion.

Yeah. Basically what I'm saying here is that it should be ok to accuse people of multi-accounting, but not on their own map(s) as that is counter-productive. Maybe having a thread on the forums, or a specific map on NUMA, perhaps, that could be related to accusations of that sort. Since it's usually a pretty rare incident, though, just posting on a comment on a admin's map should generally be enough. But yeah, your main point of not posting on the accused's maps is one I agree with.

"But before that is possible, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with people voicing their suspicions. I would, however, suggest that they should be voiced somewhere else other than on the “new” person’s maps for two reasons: first, it will be confusing and possibly discouraging for genuinely new users to see that kind of thing. Two, it will prevent multi-accounters knowing that they’re under suspicion."

This ^

:x

Elaboration on that last comment: It would be more accurate if you, the new student, looked very similar to a previous student who sucked up to you at every opportunity (or ignored you completely, depending on the type of multi-accounter). The test you pass is one that you could not have possibly known how to pass unless you had already been in the class and were lying about the whole thing, or if you had been peeking in through the windows the entire time.

Addendum: If you don’t want to read all of this, here’s a little summary: maxson and squibbles are right to a certain extent, script and mahi are right to a certain extent, atob is right to a huge extent.

btw, pyrocheese, your analogy is flawed and mostly irrelevant.

As it is currently impossible to verify whether people truly are multi-accounters, the system atob laid out is, imo, the best and most effective. Until there /is/ genuine evidence, banning someone would obviously be unfair, but that doesn’t mean that people should just be silent whenever they think that it’s obvious that someone is multi-ing. Hopefully it will be possible in the near future for users’ IPs to be displayed in their profile, or some other method that would allow them to be checked, so that multi-accounters can be properly apprehended and banned.

But before that is possible, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with people voicing their suspicions. I would, however, suggest that they should be voiced somewhere else other than on the “new” person’s maps for two reasons: first, it will be confusing and possibly discouraging for genuinely new users to see that kind of thing. Two, it will prevent multi-accounters knowing that they’re under suspicion.

This whole multi-accounting business only became prominent with evil_sire. Now when he was creating new accounts every week, it was painfully obvious that it was him doing it. And yet if we were to all abide by what you're proposing, we should all have just restrained ourselves from accusing him of it and getting him banned, but just let him shit all over the community like the little git he was? Your policy of just letting suspected multi-accounters go unaccused will only encourage other people to start multi-accounting, knowing that they can get away with it while anyone who accuses them is branded a dick. I agree that the accusatory brigade can get a little out of hand sometimes (I’m looking at you, Radium) but the alternative is letting them go unchecked, allowing them to rate up their own maps, potentially snipe others, etc.

Now on the other hand, not every new user who shows initial ability is a multi. Then again, it’s usually pretty obvious when someone has at least been lurking for a while. They tend to map in a style that either resembles another author or shows a sophistication that just isn’t possible unless they’ve been heavily inspired by other authors or are other authors themselves. While they may just be lurkers, the majority of people who appear this way claim to actually be brand new. No matter what you may say, this /is/ suspicious behaviour. People don’t just suddenly start mapping amazingly well; it takes time to develop a level of skill that many supposedly “new” users are seen to attain on their very first go. When you (whoever you are, who said this) that only 3 people have been multi-accounting when there have been around 10-20 accused of it, what you’re actually saying is that only 3 people have ever been caught and shown to be doing it. Now I’m not saying they all were, but I reckon at least half is not an overblown estimate of how many of those cases were actually genuine multi-accounters.

Tell the mods that there are 3 accounts on this computer, Apakenua, Roy_G_Biv, and Rig_Y_Pubs. THey are my siblings... they were rating my maps, but I told them to stop. :)

:)

I admit addiction to the n
I have wasted? spent? at least over 9000! hours on this site.

yay!!! ( ok if you count this one 101 comments )

but i agree with the others. it´s just...the description and the comments sound way too poetic...it sounds like numa plays a big role, a VERY BIG role in your live. That´s not good (i don´t want to say poor...)

This sounds so fun. I am totally doing this today.

happy birthday ephexx lol

oh tunco

haha

bullshit

When I see a new tree, I don't moan at it for being awesome and start accusing it of being an oak tree. That's just silly. I just smile expectantly at it, and let it get on with being a tree.

NUMA is a garden. Roots can never be fully eradicated. People wax and wane, but in truth our heart stays firmly planted. I love you all.

goddammit